Post by WikiWhippleChevron on May 22, 2016 5:18:14 GMT
Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler
Great, great. Where is your proof?
Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler
One thing that really hurt me was Wikipedia stating that the Nazi Party leaned, "Far-Right". For some reason when people think of dictators they think of the right, when, most dictators in history were leftist, including Lenin, Stalin, and, Adolf Hitler.
The Nazi Party is short for the National German Socialist Party, which focused originally on taking out the "one percent" that the German Working Class felt did them wrong (note that a huge majority of this group was Jewish), or in other words, the American upper classes.
As the movement became bigger, to win over the people, and because the leaders of the movement had nationalist ideals, the party adopted an aggressive form of nationalism. Nationalism isn't inherently bad, but in this case it was rather extreme. It involved the killing of non-Germans, which was made easier by the fact that the majority of Germans felt that they had been forced down and stepped on by other nationalities and religions. Suddenly, a long pent up anger against the Jews, and other people including "homosexuals, Africans, Jehovah's Witnesses, and political opponents"
But wait, isn't homophobia a conservative thing?
Actually it falls under religious belief. The Christian religion is against homosexuality often making it a target of leftists.
"The Nazis believed in Constructive Christianity and freedom for every religious denomination (group). But in reality, the Nazis saw the Church and Christianity as a threat to their policies."(BBC)
The Nazis were strongly against religion but put up a mask of religious tolerance at first.
But wait, isn't racism a conservative thing?
Leave
What about taking out political opponents?
Actually, rightists often express more interest in liberties than liberals. A lot of the liberal party's opinions express interest in bigger government, and thus less liberty as a population. This can also be interpenetrated the other way, since liberals often call for a democracy rather than a representative republic (which is odd because in a democracy minorities would always lose.)
If you are still unclear on the ideals of the Nazi Party, here you go.
The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party
1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.
2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.
7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.
23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
- The 25 Point Program, The History Place
TLDR: Lots of nationalism, lots of socialism, and big ass government.
All in all, the Nazi party was very Authoritarian (Big Government) and VERY liberal (More power to the people, Equality)
This is why it upsets me that the Wikipedia page for the Nazi Party says it leans far left. For some reason even articles that are supposed to be unbiased throw the right under the bus because they see it as evil.
Which leads us to our next point.
DONALD TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER
I see this thrown around a lot, and most people know it's not true. They realize people compare everyone they don't like to Hitler.
But I'm going to take it one step further, while foreshadowing my conclusion.
Hitler is an authoritarian leftist, as I proved earlier. People seem to associate the right with racism, which is when you realize that there is no such thing as civilized political discussion anymore and cry yourself to sleep.
"The KKK was founded by liberals"
Now I don't mean to say the left is racist inherently. Recently the left has adopted a new from of racism, hating on the majority, and the one percent in particular, and it's picking up steam.
Now on to the similarities between Donald Trump and Hitler.
I could only find two that stood out.
They both tapped into the silent anger of a working majority who felt they had been betrayed by their government and the rest of the world, and they were both nationalistic.
Donald Trump is not racist at all, I don't know why people always say that. Donald Trump said two things in particular that people labeled as racist.
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
"[Muslims are] not coming to this country if I'm president. And if Obama has brought some to this country they are leaving, they're going, they're gone."
On the first quote, he quite literally implies it's just illegal immigrants, and then goes on to say that he assumes some are good people. In reality, predictions on losses from illegal aliens in this country range from 10 billion, to 100 billion, and despite making up 7% of the population (a ridiculous number in the first place) make up 15% of prisoners in the US. It's not wrong to label them as criminals, especially when you imply that some of them are good people. Trump's website actually states.
"Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone)."
And on the note of Muslims, Donald Trump clearly states that leaving them out is a "matter of security", "thousands of people coming into this country with ISIS flags on their cell phones, I don't think so"
The matter of ISIS and terror in the middle east is very real and ignoring it and letting their people come into our country is a blatant risk. You have to ask yourself if the kindness of letting in refugees is worth the risk of Terror. What has happened in France is simply due to an open borders policy. They mayor of London is (or is descended from) Syrian refugees. The amount of immigration in the EU is massive, and you have to ask, is it worth the risk of ISIS getting people in.
And on the note of nationalism, is it so bad to love your country?
Now, almost everywhere Donald Trump isn't like Hitler...
Bernie Sanders is.
Bernie Sanders, an authoritarian leftist. "BIGGER GOVERNMENT, MORE TAXES, PUBLIC INDUSTRY" Minus the extreme nationalism and appeal to the working class, Bernie Sanders is exactly like Hitler.
He's making minorities feel betrayed by the rich. "White people don't know what it's like to be poor". He's taking that one percent and making them the enemy, a lot like Hitler did. And he's also portraying the whites as evil, and corrupt. Would Bernie Sanders have his way the minorities would be in charge.
Also, like Hitler, Sanders is offering free school and education, trying to appeal to the poor who don't have it. Hitler did the same thing (important to note that Hitler only offered his free shit to the German people, once again it is a combination of extremist Nationalism and Socialism that made Hitler the way he is).
So in the end, which candidate is most like Adolf Hitler? The Nationalist, or the Socialist?
Great, great. Where is your proof?
Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler
One thing that really hurt me was Wikipedia stating that the Nazi Party leaned, "Far-Right". For some reason when people think of dictators they think of the right, when, most dictators in history were leftist, including Lenin, Stalin, and, Adolf Hitler.
The Nazi Party is short for the National German Socialist Party, which focused originally on taking out the "one percent" that the German Working Class felt did them wrong (note that a huge majority of this group was Jewish), or in other words, the American upper classes.
As the movement became bigger, to win over the people, and because the leaders of the movement had nationalist ideals, the party adopted an aggressive form of nationalism. Nationalism isn't inherently bad, but in this case it was rather extreme. It involved the killing of non-Germans, which was made easier by the fact that the majority of Germans felt that they had been forced down and stepped on by other nationalities and religions. Suddenly, a long pent up anger against the Jews, and other people including "homosexuals, Africans, Jehovah's Witnesses, and political opponents"
But wait, isn't homophobia a conservative thing?
Actually it falls under religious belief. The Christian religion is against homosexuality often making it a target of leftists.
"The Nazis believed in Constructive Christianity and freedom for every religious denomination (group). But in reality, the Nazis saw the Church and Christianity as a threat to their policies."(BBC)
The Nazis were strongly against religion but put up a mask of religious tolerance at first.
But wait, isn't racism a conservative thing?
Leave
What about taking out political opponents?
Actually, rightists often express more interest in liberties than liberals. A lot of the liberal party's opinions express interest in bigger government, and thus less liberty as a population. This can also be interpenetrated the other way, since liberals often call for a democracy rather than a representative republic (which is odd because in a democracy minorities would always lose.)
If you are still unclear on the ideals of the Nazi Party, here you go.
The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party
1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.
2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.
7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.
23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
- The 25 Point Program, The History Place
TLDR: Lots of nationalism, lots of socialism, and big ass government.
All in all, the Nazi party was very Authoritarian (Big Government) and VERY liberal (More power to the people, Equality)
This is why it upsets me that the Wikipedia page for the Nazi Party says it leans far left. For some reason even articles that are supposed to be unbiased throw the right under the bus because they see it as evil.
Which leads us to our next point.
DONALD TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER
I see this thrown around a lot, and most people know it's not true. They realize people compare everyone they don't like to Hitler.
But I'm going to take it one step further, while foreshadowing my conclusion.
Hitler is an authoritarian leftist, as I proved earlier. People seem to associate the right with racism, which is when you realize that there is no such thing as civilized political discussion anymore and cry yourself to sleep.
"The KKK was founded by liberals"
Now I don't mean to say the left is racist inherently. Recently the left has adopted a new from of racism, hating on the majority, and the one percent in particular, and it's picking up steam.
Now on to the similarities between Donald Trump and Hitler.
I could only find two that stood out.
They both tapped into the silent anger of a working majority who felt they had been betrayed by their government and the rest of the world, and they were both nationalistic.
Donald Trump is not racist at all, I don't know why people always say that. Donald Trump said two things in particular that people labeled as racist.
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
"[Muslims are] not coming to this country if I'm president. And if Obama has brought some to this country they are leaving, they're going, they're gone."
On the first quote, he quite literally implies it's just illegal immigrants, and then goes on to say that he assumes some are good people. In reality, predictions on losses from illegal aliens in this country range from 10 billion, to 100 billion, and despite making up 7% of the population (a ridiculous number in the first place) make up 15% of prisoners in the US. It's not wrong to label them as criminals, especially when you imply that some of them are good people. Trump's website actually states.
"Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone)."
And on the note of Muslims, Donald Trump clearly states that leaving them out is a "matter of security", "thousands of people coming into this country with ISIS flags on their cell phones, I don't think so"
The matter of ISIS and terror in the middle east is very real and ignoring it and letting their people come into our country is a blatant risk. You have to ask yourself if the kindness of letting in refugees is worth the risk of Terror. What has happened in France is simply due to an open borders policy. They mayor of London is (or is descended from) Syrian refugees. The amount of immigration in the EU is massive, and you have to ask, is it worth the risk of ISIS getting people in.
And on the note of nationalism, is it so bad to love your country?
Now, almost everywhere Donald Trump isn't like Hitler...
Bernie Sanders is.
Bernie Sanders, an authoritarian leftist. "BIGGER GOVERNMENT, MORE TAXES, PUBLIC INDUSTRY" Minus the extreme nationalism and appeal to the working class, Bernie Sanders is exactly like Hitler.
He's making minorities feel betrayed by the rich. "White people don't know what it's like to be poor". He's taking that one percent and making them the enemy, a lot like Hitler did. And he's also portraying the whites as evil, and corrupt. Would Bernie Sanders have his way the minorities would be in charge.
Also, like Hitler, Sanders is offering free school and education, trying to appeal to the poor who don't have it. Hitler did the same thing (important to note that Hitler only offered his free shit to the German people, once again it is a combination of extremist Nationalism and Socialism that made Hitler the way he is).
So in the end, which candidate is most like Adolf Hitler? The Nationalist, or the Socialist?